Thanks to CBH for continuing solid Thursday 7IS’s
For the longest time I thought there were certain things in sports that people understood there was no point debating about. Babe Ruth was an amazing baseball player, Michael Phelps is the greatest swimmer of all time, and Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. These are just some of the things that everyone understands can’t be debated. One other statement I would have put on that list until this past week was that Joe Montana, the guy who won 4 Super Bowls, and was named MVP in 3 of them, was one of the Top 5 QB’s to ever play in the NFL. Shockingly, I have discovered that some people have deluded themselves into thinking that not only was Montana not one of the Top 5, but that he was mediocre. Not to get all Spencer on everyone, but give me a fucking break. Apparently, their argument is that since Montana played with a great wide receiver in Jerry Rice, and had a genius coach in Bill Walsh, that they masked Montana’s mediocrity.
Let’s first define mediocre, it is something that is neither good nor bad, barely adequate, or rather poor or inferior. You know who comes to mind when I read that? Trent Dilfer, Jim McMahon, Jason Campbell. So these players are on the same level of Montana? No. Would anyone say that without Jerry Rice or Walsh, Montana would be on Trent Dilfer’s level? No way. I hate the well he had great personnel around him, that’s why he did so well argument. Well, duh. Name me QBs that put up amazing numbers without talented wide receivers, running backs, offensive lines, etc.? Did Rice make Montana look good at times? Of course. But did Montana make Rice look good as well? Of course.
Stats seem to be the most popular thing to cite these days when determining how good a player was. Want to know Montana’s numbers? 273 career TDs versus 139 INTs, with a completion percentage of 63.2% that was done while averaging 11.9 yards per completion. Take a look at his 1981 season, when he didn’t have Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, Tom Rathman, or John Taylor. Montana, in just his third season, took the 49ers to a championship, had 19 TDs versus 12 INTs, while completing 63% of his passes. Everyone should know this, but Montana was pretty damn amazing in the post season. 45 TDs versus 21 INTs and a 62.7% completion. Montana even managed to play pretty well in Kansas City, when he returned after what many thought was a career ending injury. Despite his best receivers being Willie Davis (who?) and J.J. Birden (who?), Montana put up 29 TDs and 16 INTs in two seasons with the Chiefs.
So while these people’s argument is an EPIC FAIL, I thank them for it. Without them, I would have been racking my brain coming up with a topic for tonight. Now, let’s take a look at what sports are on TV this evening.
NFL Preseason
Jacksonville Jaguars (0-2) at Philadelphia Eagles (0-2), 7:00 PM ET, Mike Vick makes his return to football. This is the game that should be on FOX.
St. Louis Rams (1-1) at Cincinnati Bengals (1-1), 7:30 PM ET, Bengals will make the playoffs this year.
Miami Dolphins (2-0) at Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1-1), FOX, 8:00 PM ET, Will the Bucs finally make a decision at QB after tonight’s game?
MLB
For your afternoon scores check here:
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/scoreboard?date=20090827
More night games than usual.
San Diego Padres (54-74) at Atlanta Braves (66-60), 7:00 PM ET
Philadelphia Phillies (73-51) at Pittsburgh Pirates (52-72), 7:05 PM ET
Cleveland Indians (56-70) at Baltimore Orioles (52-75), 7:05 PM ET, Spencer’s favorite shitty team takes on my favorite shitty team to see who is shittier.
Chicago White Sox (63-64) at Boston Red Sox (73-53), 7:10 PM ET, Sox do battle in game with playoff implications.
Kansas City Royals (48-78) at Seattle Mariners (66-61), 10:10 PM ET
Arizona Douchebags (55-72) at San Francisco Giants (69-58), 10:15 PM ET
Oakland Athletics (55-71) at California Anaheim (75-50), 10:25 PM ET
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Brett Favre > Joe Montana
/midwest version of john’d JRod(Quote)
gotta stick up for mcmahon though…before that fuckstick packer player slammed his ass – his first four years were 62% completion and 44tds against 33 interceptions…the rest of his career was non descript….but as a bears and buccaneers follower
trent dilfer = mediocre….mcmahon to me was somewhere between above average and a potential legend…but injuries will render his career something that is above mediocre though mikeychx(Quote)
I totally agree with cbh. Those stats would be really good today. Back in the 80s they are unbelievable. I don’t care what the system is you have to tip your hat to Joe. He was fucking good. Besides that he did a sketch on SNL about masturbation! That has to be worth something. I am a believer in players being better today than 20 years ago by a mile. But I honestly believe that if you put Montana in his prime in a time machine and brought him to today’s game, he would be a top 5 qb right now. He would have 3 receivers on the field that have Rice’s capabilities. I think he would be on par with Peyton and Tom. I really do. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
I am flabbergasted by this. And you’re a Vikings fan. This is bordering on unforgivable if it isn’t a joke. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Paul Pierce > Joe Montana
/john’d john(Quote)
joe montana lives close to me evident ally ….gonna actually try to get him to come hang out and / or play golf with my father in law for his christmas present…he is an assistant coach at jimmy clausens old school (oaks christian)….whatcha think…$5k donation to his foundation cover it? mikeychx(Quote)
dont all answer at once…the $5k would be split between three of us…and its a tax write off
my father in law has two autographed helmets from montana…an auto football…and another autographed painting of montana in a chiefs, niners, and notre dame uni
the helmets have lost the autographs because of years of maids wiping the dust off of them…thought it would be cool to get them resigned is all mikeychx(Quote)
can’t you just flash your sparty and friends ID? sae(Quote)
as an accountant I fully endorse this idea. you had me at writeoff. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Next time I fly international I am going to make sure I have a 12 hour layover so I can go shoot a round with Mikey. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Make it an even $10K and have him write some guest posts here during football season. john(Quote)
I bet he’d do it. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
mcnabb looks thinner. garrard looks like he is still sucky. vick can still zip the ball. sparty(Quote)
Vick sucks as a qb, even if he is still just as good as a qb as he was that doesn’t add any value. The question is does he run like Jamal Lewis did after he got out of jail? knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Sparty’s actual text to me: “Damn. The Eagles already look unstoppable with Vick.” GatorTrey(Quote)
did anyone just see that hit? sparty(Quote)
liar!!! sparty(Quote)
It’s the preseason. I was unstoppable with QB Eagles in Tecmo. Unfortunately all NFL coaches suck badly. If you replaced Andy Reid with me the Eagles would win the Super Bowl. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Ya but Tori Holt’s TD was very well deserved not many people can lean over and pick up the ball so non chalantly for a score GatorTrey(Quote)
he won’t score again until week 5.
/garrard sucks sparty(Quote)
Not even an over optimistic Vikings fan would truly believe this. JRod(Quote)
Dolphins game startin’! GatorTrey(Quote)
Whew! knightwhosaysni(Quote)
The Dolphins are going to miss the playoffs.
/pissing in trey’s cheerios
//who cares Florida is winning the national championship anyway knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Anyone get their “Favre Free” SI today? GatorTrey(Quote)
yee…ha.
no vick here…im homesick as hell for florida – and what do i get in LA….not the game of the night (/media’d) in vicks debut
no siree..they giving me bucs and fins….now i am gonna go cry my homesickness away
/baby’d mikeychx(Quote)
hey so the montana thing..i am actually 96% serious mikeychx(Quote)
herm edwards was on the announce crew for philly. he is horrible. sparty(Quote)
i have a spoiler for you readers…podcasts coming soon. we all get to make fun of a certain redneck’s accent. sparty(Quote)
i told u im not a redneck mikeychx(Quote)
hmmmm, kirk cousins was named a captain. guess he gets first shot at the starting gig. sparty(Quote)
I’m 99% whoever is doing the Jags broadcast was worse…sounds like they’re in a phone booth GatorTrey(Quote)
herm edwards called the penalties, fouls. he also kept referring to them as we. the guy has coached in the NFL for the last 20 years. they can’t still be we. sparty(Quote)
Geeze, I have enough podcasts to catch up on each day, guess another one won’t hurt. JRod(Quote)
We are? GatorTrey(Quote)
Why podcasts? I’d rather read. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
I’m 100% serious on eveything I’ve said regarding Montana. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
So I’m completely flabbergasted that there are people that thing Joe Montana is overrated. Johnny(Quote)
I disagree with this. Vick was doing great under Reeves. He had a 2 to 1 td/int ration the year they went to the playoffs. Then he got hurt, the team sucked (coincidence?), Reeves got fired and Mora jr came in and tried to make him a 3 step drop passer, which he’s not. Put him in a Shanahan offense with all the stretch running plays and play action rollouts and he would have owned. He was completely misused by Mora. Anonymous(Quote)
SPENCER!!! sparty(Quote)
read your email. sparty(Quote)
I guess it wasn’t clear enough when I said in a tecmo offense he would win the super bowl. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Anonymous had a lot to say. HawkEye19(Quote)
gotta be spencer. dude loves shanny. sparty(Quote)
I actually think I could win a super bowl with the current vikings lineup starting Tarvaris Jackson. A sweet defense? Check. Best rb in the league? Check. A rollout qb who has the best running back to keep the opp d in line? Check.
In summary, Brad Childress and Brett Favre suck. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Miz’s tin can on a string will get good enough reception for a podcast?
/miz is a redneck john(Quote)
I am not even joking either, 100% serious. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Sparty – mayhap. Not a lot of snark though HawkEye19(Quote)
A super bowl with T-Jack! No chance HawkEye19(Quote)
I would make it happen. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
In Tecmo maybe HawkEye19(Quote)
Just did, might have helped. Eh? Working on tomorrow’s 30 in 30…The Purdue Boilermakers GatorTrey(Quote)
You don’t think a strategy of mixing up the run with AD with rollout passing-scrambling option with T-Jax plus the Vikings d would be awesome? knightwhosaysni(Quote)
f u knightwhosaysni(Quote)
I didn’t mean that, I know you’re just yanking my chain for the dolphins comment. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Maybe, if T-Jack could pull his head out of his ass HawkEye19(Quote)
my life is complete, i just saw the slap chop commercial sae(Quote)
PS – The Jags announcer is Tony Boselli…no wonder it sounds like he’s choking on a pastry of some sort. GatorTrey(Quote)
what the fuck? I’ve been watching this Jags-Eagles game since the middle of the 2nd quarter waiting for Vick to get on the field. It’s now in the 4th quarter and the effing Jags-homer announcers haven’t even mentioned him.
lo and behold, I read your comments and the dude’s already played!? wtf!? mizerle06(Quote)
“you’re gonna love my nuts!” mizerle06(Quote)
I effing hate listening to/watching Jags broadcasts. they sound incredibly amateur. mizerle06(Quote)
“Stop having a boring tuna, stop having a boring life.”
All this time and now I find out that tuna is the spice of life. JRod(Quote)
JRod – if you put Vince’s nuts in your tuna…heaven.
and with that, I bid adieu(sp?) to you all. goodnight, chumps. mizerle06(Quote)
for sae:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWRyj5cHIQA knightwhosaysni(Quote)
You’re gonna love my nuts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaR4LcLbW8I&NR=1&feature=fvwp knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Do yours sound like Boselli is enjoying a bearclaw in a phone booth too? GatorTrey(Quote)
i can’t believe the commercial was so long. had james bond (man with the golden gun on universal HD) paused for a bit while reading my younger son a bedtime story, now i should be able to zip thru the awful commercials sae(Quote)
I have every James Bond movie on dvd, and Man with the golden gun is awesome! If it’s not my favorite it is way up there. I can’t believe they didn’t release a movie in 2007. Hello 2 007? The marketing options were incredibly easy. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
i have 7 or 8 of them. goldfinger has always been one of my favs, and live and let die is up there. of course any movie with tattoo has to be good sae(Quote)
Goldmember > Goldfinger HawkEye19(Quote)
seriously, who throws a shoe? sae(Quote)
if you want me to rank all 22 I will. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
i don’t think i could do that, but timothy dalton would probably be the bottom two sae(Quote)
that seems like a challenge, give me 20 minutes. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Oops this was me, forgot to login. Bryan(Quote)
Time’s up Fiesta Trio(Quote)
S&F podcast would be the only one worth listening to. Fiesta Trio(Quote)
Since we all love USC, Matt Barkley was named the starting quarterback over Aaron Corp. Fiesta Trio(Quote)
Why can’t I post anything, it must be a government conspiracy! knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Here it is
1 The Man With the Golden Gun
2 The Spy Who Loved Me
3 Octopussy
4 Dr. No
5 Diamonds Are Forever
6 You Only Live Twice
7 Moonraker
8 For Your Eyes Only
9 Goldfinger
10 Casino Royale
11 Goldeneye
12 Thunderball
13 Quantum of Solace
14 Live and Let Die
15 Die Another Day
16 The World is Not Enough
17 From Russia With Love
18 A View to a Kill
19 Tomorrow Never Dies
20 The Living Daylights
21 Licence to Kill
22 On Her Majesty’s Secret Service knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Good god! that took 9 tries! knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Moore was the best bond. For your eyes only the best movie. I like connery, but never got into him as bond. Fiesta Trio(Quote)
The 60s and 70s were not my favorite eras for movies / cartoons. Fiesta Trio(Quote)
Well we do agree on Roger Moore. Maybe you’re not all bad after all. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
But I like USC. Some things re just unforgiveable. Fiesta Trio(Quote)