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October 20, 2009

Charlie Weis: 2005-2009

By patphish

Charlie

Over the past 5 seasons, I have been possibly the biggest Charlie Weis apologist in all of Notre Dame Nation. As a Jets fan who grew up in Patriots country, I saw firsthand how well he could develop quarterbacks and concoct effective game plans. He led the 1998 Vinny Testaverde Jets to the AFC title game before taking the reigns in New England and helping to develop Tom Brady while orchestrating 3 titles in 4 years as the offensive coordinator there. The Patriots haven’t won a title since he left.

After Lou Holtz was forced out as coach, and he was forced out, I had high hopes for Bob Davie. He had led the defense for 3 years and filled in a few times when Lou was sick or had surgery. He looked like a head coach. He acted like a head coach. He couldn’t coach a lick. He was a disaster. He was/is a good man, graduated 100% of his players one season and led the Irish to their first BCS game, which turned into a 41-9 trouncing at the hands of Oregon State. After the Irish started 0-3 in 2001, people started putting “For Sale” signs in his yard. Notre Dame is much like New York, the best place in the world when you’re winning, and Hell on earth when you’re not.

Enter Tyrone Willingham. The world made a huge deal when the Irish hired a black coach, I still don’t really understand why. Notre Dame previously had a black Heisman Trophy winner and a black quarterback had led them to a national title; oh, and the school is in Indiana, not Mississippi. Ty started out winning his first eight games, including a dismantling of 7th ranked Florida State in Tallahassee that I attended with 2 other Irish fans. What a great day. I have a very close friend that was on the staff of Holtz, Davie and Willingham and though he was excited about that victory and the 8-0 start, I could sense a feeling of impending doom when I met with him in the tunnel after the game. He knew they just weren’t that good and that Willingham wasn’t the answer. Sure enough, they lost the next week to Boston College, and then won a couple more before getting shellacked by USC. Phillip Rivers then embarrassed the Irish in the Gator Bowl. The reports I was receiving claimed Ty spent more time writing his pregame speech trying to inspire the team than he did actually preparing a game plan. I will say this for him, the guy could recruit. He loaded the cupboard with talent, and then was fired. Brady Quinn, Justin Tuck, Jeff Samardzija, Maurice Stovall, John Carlson, Anthony Fasano, and Darius Walker are all guys he convinced to come to South Bend. All guys that were handed to Charlie Weis.

When Weis arrived in 2005, he talked of bringing a “strategic advantage” with him to South Bend. Irish haters freaked. I loved it. Head coaches are an arrogant, paranoid, bunch of pricks. At least the good coaches are. Jimmy Johnson? Bill Belichick? Pete Carroll? Nick Saban? Urban Meyer? All douchebags. All winners. When the world is lining up to hate your coach’s guts, good things usually happen. And, good things did happen. The team scored over 30 points in every game but one, a 17-10 victory over Michigan. They went 9-2 and both loses came on the last play of the game, one in overtime to Michigan State, the other to top-ranked USC on the infamous Bush push. Under Weis, Brady Quinn jumped from meh to Heisman candidate and the team was back in the BCS. Although they lost to Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl, I was still thrilled with the season and the direction the Irish were headed.

2006 brought high expectations, Quinn was to make a serious run at the Heisman, the defense was to be improved, and the schedule was not that good. After victories over a bad Georgia Tech squad and a depleted Penn State, #11 Michigan came calling for a game that we were going to win, a game that was going to catapult us to the top ranking in the country, (we were #2 going in), a game that was going to make Charlie Weis the next Knute, a game that would make being an Irish fan something to be proud of again. And then it happened; they kicked our ass. Bad. They put up 47 points, the second-most EVER at Notre Dame Stadium. Quinn was a mess. The defense did nothing. The thing that stuck out the most however was that Lloyd Carr outcoached Weis. All. Day. Long. The defense got torched again the following week at Michigan State, and, if not for the boneheaded play of Drew Stanton and Brady Quinn willing a victory, the season would have been totally lost. The Irish entered the season-ending game against USC at 9-1, and were promptly destroyed by the Trojans. That embarrassment was followed by a complete dismantling in the Sugar Bowl at the hands of LSU and JaMarcus Russell, who has shown us since that he is not exactly the toughest guy to prepare for. After 2 seasons, Weis was 19-6 overall, 4-5 against ranked teams (after starting 3-0), 0-2 in bowls, and 2-4 against the big 3 rivals: Michigan, Michigan State, and USC. He also was about to lose most of Willingham’s players and would have to start winning with his own.

2006 begat 2007. Quinn: gone. Samardziga: gone. Walker: gone. Talent: gone. Jimmy Clausen had arrived on campus to much fanfare, though. The offensive line was the worst in the country, and the Irish lost the first 5 out of the gate, prompting talk of a winless season. Michigan and Sparty humiliated us. After a win on the road at UCLA, things really got bad. A 27-14 loss to BC. A 38-0 home loss to USC in which Pete Carroll took his foot off the gas half way through the 3rd quarter. What’s worse? Getting killed by your arch rival every year or getting killed and having them take MERCY on your sorry ass? And just when you think it can’t get any worse, Navy came into Notre Dame Stadium and halted the longest losing streak to one team in the history of history, something like 784 games. Navy beat Notre Dame. And it isn’t 1936. Since we were in the spirit of helping our country during war time, we allowed the Air Force to come in the following week and thump us as well. Thank God for Duke and Stanford. To finish the season, we beat the 2 teams that are the only schools with smarter (ie: worse) players than us.

2008 started promisingly enough with a victory over cupcake San Diego State, followed by a beat down of Michigan (we would soon learn how bad the Wolverines were). Then came the annual loss to Michigan State. They would win 3 of the next 4 to get to 5-2 with 4 winnable games coming up. Pittsburgh: loss. BC: shut out. Managed to beat that powerhouse Navy this year, by a whopping 6 points. Then, on Senior Day, which at Notre Dame is more of a guaranteed victory than the homecoming matchup, the Irish gacked up a 13 point lead in the final 3 minutes to lose to………….Syracuse. We had the ball 4 times in the red zone in the second half and scored 3 points. Not on each trip, 3 points total. How’s that for a strategic advantage? We actually scored against USC this year, only losing 38-3. We did win our first bowl game in a decade and a half, of course we had to play a 4th place WAC team to accomplish that.

I stuck by Charlie through all of this; the team had lost a ton of talent and was very young, starting a freshman quarterback with an offensive line that couldn’t block Joe from Family Guy. I figured he would develop Clausen into the next Brady, (Tom, not Quinn), and we would win a National Title. The defensive players he was bringing in, not to mention the coaches, would make them a solid unit. Rivals and the other recruiting services kept telling us the talent coming in was excellent. Top 10. Four and five star kids. I live in high school football heaven. Miami has more players in the NFL than any other city. Ft. Lauderdale is 5th on that list, with more players than Dallas, Chicago, Jacksonville, and Los Angeles. Palm Beach County is loaded with talent. There is a reason Miami, Florida, and Free Shoes have won 10 of the last 25 national titles. They all come and recruit South Florida talent. Notre Dame does not. The top ranked high school in the country right now is Saint Thomas Aquinas in Ft. Lauderdale. Yup, a Catholic high school filled with bright kids that can play, and yet, not one of them is committed to the Irish. We actually have 2 starting lineman from there, and yet, they haven’t or aren’t willing to get kids to follow them. When Lane Kiffin took the Tennessee job, one of the first things he did was head on down to Pahokee and steal the fastest kid in the county away from the Gator’s. Why? Because, he saw that Meyer had built a dynasty grabbing the fastest players he could find down here. Teach them to play once they get there; you can’t teach speed. Yet, the Irish still look as if they are running in quicksand on defense. The major reason the SEC is the best conference in the country is they have the fastest defensive lines in the country. Notre Dame has no team speed and hasn’t since Weis took over.

All of this leads us to today, the Irish stand at 4-2 after losing to Michigan and USC………again. They may very well go on a nice run and finish 10-2 and go to a BCS game. Where they will get killed. Again. Notre Dame is not getting better. They are not getting where they need to go. Does Charlie even know where that is? If I was the AD and could ask him one question it would be this: What is the goal of the program? If the immediate response was not “win a national championship THIS YEAR”, then he would be fired.

I am done apologizing. I should have jumped off the Weis bandwagon after the Navy loss. I had another opportunity when they blew the Senior Day game against Syracuse and good kids like Maurice Crumb Jr. and James Aldridge, who played their guts out for 5 years and stuck around after Chuck arrived, had to leave the field in tears because their coach couldn’t figure out how to score from inside the 20 four times against the WORST defense in America.

I’m serious as a heart attack when I say I can’t take it any more. After 5 years, the collective record against our three biggest rivals is 4-11. Michigan has been down for 3 of those years and Sparty hasn’t really been much for, oh, about 40 years. Playing USC “close” twice while getting embarrassed the other 3 times is your claim to fame? Really? Guess what Chuck? Guess what Notre Dame fans? IT IS UNACCEPTABLE. We are Notre FREAKING Dame and it is high time someone starts to act like it. We are not just another football team. It has gotten to the point that it doesn’t even feel like a “program” any more. Texas: program. Florida: program. USC: professionals program. Notre Dame: very good school that plays football on Saturdays.

I don’t want to hear that we haven’t been relevant in a decade. Recruit better. The Notre Dame campus on a Saturday in October is an amazing place. There are plenty of talented kids with good grades and God-fearing parents to pursue. If the talented recruits are already there, as so the story goes, then get someone that can coach. An established college coach. Brian Kelly at Cincinnati would be a good place to start. He won back to back national titles in Division II at Grand Valley State. He took perennial doormat Central Michigan and turned them into winners in 3 seasons, winning the conference in his 3rd year. On he went to Cincinnati, where in 3 years he won ten games, then the conference title and a BCS berth, and in case you aren’t paying attention, is currently 6-0 and 5th in the BCS right now. The guy is an established winner and knows how to build a program. He also is well-connected in Cincinnati which just happens to have several very good Catholic High School teams in it. Boston College has been taking most of those kids for the last 10 years. Boston College has then taken those kids and beaten Notre Dame 6 times in a row. Kelly also preaches defense. The Bearcats graduated 10 players off their top notch defense from a year ago, and when the coordinator refused to run the 3-4 Kelly prefers, Kelly fired his ass. The DC promptly was hired at South Florida, who Cincy hung 34 on last Thursday. Why? Because unlike Weis, Kelly did his homework, made halftime adjustments, and coached like he fully expected to win the game. Oh yeah, he did it with his back-up quarterback.

If the Irish can’t get Kelly, (and all they have to do is offer the job and they will get him), then go get one of the best. Meyer. Stoops. Gulp…….Saban. Whoever. Most of these guys are whores and would sell their children into slavery for enough money (not really……….ok, maybe Saban would); the point is, Notre Dame has peaked under Weis. They aren’t getting better. The play calling isn’t getting better. That 3rd down Hail Mary on the final drive against USC was atrocious. The Michigan game? Good God, I really believe the staff at Sparty and Friends would have won that game given the same circumstances with 3 minutes remaining. The running game is horrible. The defense is still a step slow. The pass rush hasn’t existed in years. It’s hard to believe Justin Tuck has had more success rushing the quarterback on the pro level than he did on the college level.

Fire Charlie Weis. Do it now, do it after the season…either way, do it. The entire staff goes (looking at you Ron Powlus) with him except the graduate assistants, because those dudes work hard and know the players better than any of the coaches. Jimmy Clausen should go pro. I would think watching video of Sam Bradford probably has him leaning that way. Dayne Crist is already there and the kid has a cannon, plus his name…..hello! Bring in a guy that understands that defensive speed wins college football games. Bring in a guy that will accept nothing but winning. Bring in a guy that doesn’t give politically correct sound bites after loses. Please, for the love of God, bring me a guy that wins.

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  • knightwhosaysni says:

    I don’t disagree with a single word in this entire post.  

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  • Johnny says:

    Nice post Pat  

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  • sae says:

    nice post patphish, want bielema?  

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  • sparty says:

    John L Smith is available.  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    ND is not getting any big named coach if Meyer turns them down. Kelly is thier best bet, though having a huge Democrat as the coach would not make the conservative catholics happy. Weis will keep his job this year if ND wins out, but they still have Pitt and Stanford and those games are not gimmes for a team as average as ND.

    The Notre Dame campus on a Saturday in October is an amazing place.

    Too bad the rest of the week it has little to offer a kid from Compton or South Florida.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    Good stuff Pat. I don’t think Weis is the answer for ND either. That being said, Brian Kelley is a great fit, plus he’s Catholic.  

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  • patphish says:

    HuskerDawg: ND is not getting any big named coach if Meyer turns them down. Kelly is thier best bet, though having a huge Democrat as the coach would not make the conservative catholics happy. Weis will keep his job this year if ND wins out, but they still have Pitt and Stanford and those games are not gimmes for a team as average as ND. Too bad the rest of the week it has little to offer a kid from Compton or South Florida.

    Niether does Columbus, State College or Norman.

    The same could be said for Storrs Connecticut, yet they have no problem getting inner city kids to play hoops there.  

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  • patphish says:

    GatorTrey: Good stuff Pat. I don’t think Weis is the answer for ND either. That being said, Brian Kelley is a great fit, plus he’s Catholic.

    Just like the dood in Gainseville………  

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  • cbh49er says:

    HuskerDawg: ND is not getting any big named coach if Meyer turns them down. Kelly is thier best bet, though having a huge Democrat as the coach would not make the conservative catholics happy. Weis will keep his job this year if ND wins out, but they still have Pitt and Stanford and those games are not gimmes for a team as average as ND.
    Too bad the rest of the week it has little to offer a kid from Compton or South Florida.

    I think Notre Dame cares more about winning at this point than any politics.

    Agree 100% Pat, moral victory my ass. This was our chance at redemption and we were fucking losing by 20. I am still pissed off. I’m expecting the Irish to lose to BC on Saturday, they always do.  

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  • sparty says:

    the idea of weather is bogus for landing coaches and recruits. otherwise, miami basketball would be awesome too.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    patphish:

    Just like the dood in Gainseville………

    Keep dreaming…trust me on this one. If he’s going anywhere it’s the NFL…  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    Niether does Columbus, State College or Norman.

    The same could be said for Storrs Connecticut, yet they have no problem getting inner city kids to play hoops there.

    Not apples to apples. OSU, PSU and OU football have won in recent years; as has Uconn B-ball. ND hasn’t. Kids who are 18 only know ND as a losing program.  

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  • sparty says:

    GatorTrey: Keep dreaming…trust me on this one. If he’s going anywhere it’s the NFL…

    to Jacksonville, with Tebow.  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    sparty: the idea of weather is bogus for landing coaches and recruits. otherwise, miami basketball would be awesome too.

    You play bball outside?  

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  • sparty says:

    HuskerDawg: Not apples to apples. OSU, PSU and OU football have won in recent years; as has Uconn B-ball. ND hasn’t. Kids who are 18 only know ND as a losing program.

    this is bullshit. take alabama. they had not won shit for just as long.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    I think ND’s problem is they’ve always tried to sell kids on “tradition” “Knute Rockne” “National Championships”

    You turn and see it’s been 21 years since they won their last one and the program hasn’t been significant on the National Scene since 1993.

    The last few years they’ve gone to a return us to glory attitude. It’s worked a little better, we’ll see where it goes.

    that being said, kids wanna know this…Will you get me to the NFL. And that is what ND hasn’t done a great job of.  

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  • sparty says:

    HuskerDawg:
    You play bball outside?

    that doesn’t really matter as much as everyone thinks to the recruits. they want to go to a place that they can play, and a place that they think they can win. coaches sell them on that. the weather helps, but i think it is pretty far down on recruits minds. why would denard robinson leave deerfield beach to go to michigan?  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    sparty:

    this is bullshit. take alabama. they had not won shit for just as long.

    Ya…but that was the NCAA sanctions limiting their schollys…not a decline in talent.  

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  • sparty says:

    GatorTrey: Ya…but that was the NCAA sanctions limiting their schollys…not a decline in talent.

    and USC prior to Carroll?  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    sparty:

    to Jacksonville, with Tebow.

    See that would NEVER happen…Same reason the Jags didn’t jump on Spurrier in 2002. They’re fanbase is 70% die hard Gator fans…most with passing interest in the NFL. They’re not gonna alienate them by stealing the hottest coach in the country.  

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  • sparty says:

    what has hurt ND recruiting more is that they aren’t the only option on TV every week. that used to be a huuuuuuuge selling point to kids. the exposure they would get.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    Being nationally relevant as far as winning national titles and being on the national scene overall are two different things. Notre Dame is still as much on the national scene as any top school. Exposure isn’t the issue.

    The NFL thing may have held water a few years ago but Notre Dame is going to be churning out talent to the NFL for the next few years. The issue is Weis, he can’t coach.  

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  • sparty says:

    See that would NEVER happen…Same reason the Jags didn’t jump on Spurrier in 2002. They’re fanbase is 70% die hard Gator fans…most with passing interest in the NFL. They’re not gonna alienate them by stealing the hottest coach in the country.

    you are fucking crazy. if urban’s agent lets it be known that he is available, they would do it in a heartbeat.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    sparty:

    and USC prior to Carroll?

    USC can form a football team off players in a 5 square mile radius around the campus…they just made some TERRIBLE hires at head coach…I mean Paul Hackett?

    It’s no different than Miami/Coker.  

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  • sparty says:

    GatorTrey: USC can form a football team off players in a 5 square mile radius around the campus…they just made some TERRIBLE hires at head coach…I mean Paul Hackett?

    so Notre Dame made some bad hires after Holtz. got it. thank you.  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    sparty: and USC prior to Carroll?

    6 years isn’t 20. It has been 20 years since ND won a title. Think about that. ND, like Nebraska, doesn’t have a natural recruiting base in its backyard. They need to win in order to keep kids interested. Neither side has won recently, so each is having issues getting back on top. I’m not saying that ND can’t get back, but they need a game-changer as a head coach and they don’t have that right now.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    sparty:

    you are fucking crazy. if urban’s agent lets it be known that he is available, they would do it in a heartbeat.

    And when Spurrier was avail in 2002…they passed it. That’s not crazy. They can barely get 30,000 in the stadium on Sundays, you think they want to alienate the people of their city by taking the head coach of the city’s most popular sports team?  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    sparty: what has hurt ND recruiting more is that they aren’t the only option on TV every week. that used to be a huuuuuuuge selling point to kids. the exposure they would get.

    Very good point.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    What Husker said…Indiana and Illinois aren’t exactly fruitful when it comes to college football players…Michigan has that state locked down, and Ohio State has locked down Ohio.  

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  • patphish says:

    GatorTrey: I think ND’s problem is they’ve always tried to sell kids on “tradition” “Knute Rockne” “National Championships”You turn and see it’s been 21 years since they won their last one and the program hasn’t been significant on the National Scene since 1993. The last few years they’ve gone to a return us to glory attitude. It’s worked a little better, we’ll see where it goes.that being said, kids wanna know this…Will you get me to the NFL. And that is what ND hasn’t done a great job of.

    1. Miami – 51
    2. Michigan – 40
    T4. Texas – 39
    T4. Ohio State – 39
    5. Florida State – 38
    6. Tennessee – 37
    T9. Florida – 36
    T9. USC – 36
    9. Auburn – 35
    T11. Notre Dame – 32
    T11. Nebraska – 32
    12. Oklahoma – 27

    4 less than the Gators and more than Oklahoma.  

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  • sparty says:

    6 years isn’t 20. It has been 20 years since ND won a title

    6? i am not talking about USC’s drought now, i am talking prior to the arrival of Caroll. Their history was just as rich.  

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  • patphish says:

    GatorTrey: What Husker said…Indiana and Illinois aren’t exactly fruitful when it comes to college football players…Michigan has that state locked down, and Ohio State has locked down Ohio.

    Exactly! Why are they locked down? WTF? Brady Quinn is from Ohio. If Chuck can’t get kids from Ohio and Michigan he should just quit. What the fuck had Michigan done? 1 title in 50 years?  

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  • sparty says:

    GatorTrey: And when Spurrier was avail in 2002…they passed it.

    THey knew spurrier wouldn’t workout either. everyone but snyder knew he would fail in the NFL.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    patphish:

    1. Miami – 51
    2. Michigan – 40
    T4. Texas – 39
    T4. Ohio State – 39
    5. Florida State – 38
    6. Tennessee – 37
    T9. Florida – 36
    T9. USC – 36
    9. Auburn – 35
    T11. Notre Dame – 32
    T11. Nebraska – 32
    12. Oklahoma – 27

    4 less than the Gators and more than Oklahoma.

    And those players would be? There are no stand outs out of the Unoiversity of ND in YEARS.  

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  • sparty says:

    Michigan has that state locked down,

    not anymore. thank you rich rodriguez.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    sparty:
    THey knew spurrier wouldn’t workout either.everyone but snyder knew he would fail in the NFL.

    That’s some of the most revisionist history I have ever heard.  

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  • knightro says:

    Great post pat! My dad was a die-hard Irish fan and I have a lot of affinity for the team, so it pains me to see them in the state they are currently in. I would like to see Kelly running the show though! That could be sweet!  

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  • sparty says:

    cbh49er:
    That’s some of the most revisionist history I have ever heard.

    come on. all the analysts would say year after year that the fun n gun wouldn’t workout.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    GatorTrey:
    And those players would be? There are no stand outs out of the Unoiversity of ND in YEARS.

    Way to change your argument.

    Justin Tuck, John Carlson, Brady Quinn picked first round (sucks balls I know), Bertrand Berry, Ryan Grant, Anthony Fasano.

    NFL isn’t an issue.  

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  • sparty says:

    knightro: Great post pat! My dad was a die-hard Irish fan and I have a lot of affinity for the team, so it pains me to see them in the state they are currently in. I would like to see Kelly running the show though! That could be sweet!

    i was looking through the list of people who picked the Irish to win on saturday, and it seemed like a lot of people that were…Irish.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    sparty:
    come on. all the analysts would say year after year that the fun n gun wouldn’t workout.

    When he first came on, especially after that preseason game in Osaka, the media couldn’t stop fighting over who would get to suck Spurrier off. Tons of people believed in Spurrier in the begninning.  

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  • sae says:

    cbh49er:
    Way to change your argument.Justin Tuck, John Carlson, Brady Quinn picked first round (sucks balls I know), BertrandBerry, Ryan Grant, Anthony Fasano.NFL isn’t an issue.

    ryan grant sucks

    or maybe it’s the o-line  

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  • sparty says:

    cbh49er: When he first came on, especially after that preseason game in Osaka, the media couldn’t stop fighting over who would get to suck Spurrier off. Tons of people believed in Spurrier in the begninning.

    i think they were surprised by that at first, and started changing their tune, but before that, it was a very questionable hire. his work habits were already being scrutinized.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    sae:
    ryan grant sucksor maybe it’s the o-line

    Green Bay’s O-line is a joke.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    cbh49er:
    Way to change your argument.Justin Tuck, John Carlson, Brady Quinn picked first round (sucks balls I know), BertrandBerry, Ryan Grant, Anthony Fasano.NFL isn’t an issue.

    How did I change my argument…you just made a good one.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    You said ND hasn’t gotten players to the NFL. Pat showed you they have, than you asked but which of them are good, hence the change the argument comment.

    This is exactly why I wanted ND to win so badly, so tired of them being trashed.  

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  • HuskerDawg says:

    I think we all agree that AJ Green is a stud, Suh is the best player in football and the song girls make life worth living.  

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  • patphish says:

    cbh49er: Way to change your argument.Justin Tuck, John Carlson, Brady Quinn picked first round (sucks balls I know), Bertrand Berry, Ryan Grant, Anthony Fasano.NFL isn’t an issue.

    Julius Jones, Trever Laws, Samardzija is on the Cubs, Ndukwe…………………..hey wait a second, talk about shiity pros, Florida rules the roost at producing them.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    patphish:
    Julius Jones, Trever Laws, Samardzija is on the Cubs, Ndukwe…………………..hey wait a second, talk about shiity pros, Florida rules the roost at producing them.

    Offensively…no.

    Defensively check the number of starters…including Lito Shepard on your jets  

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  • patphish says:

    GatorTrey: Offensively…no.Defensively check the number of starters…including Lito Shepard on your jets

    Whatever. You stated ND doesn’t get kids to the NFL. You are just plain and simply WRONG. Incorrect. Misinformed. Not right.

    We are however the least successful team of all the teams on the list. So basically, our coach sucks. Thus, the novel above.  

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  • Redheaded Irishman says:

    Nice Post. and thanx for including me in the email list and. I didn’t realize had that much insight to the situation back then, but I was spot on. As for Chuck, I had a good feeling he was not going to be that good after year one. In that first year as you eluded to in the article, ND was loaded with talent. The day he got the job I said that he would win at least 8 games and go to a Jan. 1 bowl game. He did that, but a really good coach would of won 9 or 10 and the bowl game. ND was so loaded with talent that year that you and I could of coached the team and won 8 games, and I mean just you and I, nobody else two guys, you take the O and I coach D and spec. teams, seriously.

    The truth is that they are not getting enough talent and Chuck does suck as well. Don’t forget that he is an arrogant asshole that everybody hates (but is not winning). Only one propblem, he was a douchebag before he ever won a game. You win first then turn into an asshole, look it up Chuck, it’s on page 2 of the head coaces manual (according to Duggan). You went to ND didn’t you…surely you can read and you played football. Oh wait you didn’t play football..and why was that? Not that you have to play football to coach, you don’t, but you should try, especially when you have the opportunity. Pat, there is a reason why they made the movie “Rudy”, it’s basically freaking true! You and I could have walked-on at Notre Dame, had our parents actually made us do our homework and we got into a school like ND. ND does not recruit walk-ons like every other D-I school in the country. They can’t because they can’t get them into school. SO Chuck…you are obiviously not a small guy…so why would not at least tryout??? …maybe it is because you are not that tough…..Yes you come on like this tough Jersey guy, but in reality you are not…a real tough guy would have at least attempted to walk-on to the team. Just like your son (Chuck Jr.) who we see on Saturdays roaming the sidelines of ND with a headset on and a mini-game plan copy in his hands….ARE YOU SERIOUS??…The kid is 15…why isn’t he playing football over at St. Joe’s HS??? or at least trying to play??? instead he is on the sidelines dressed and acting like a coach???? Listening to you berate your assistant coaches. What a poor example of parenting.

    But I digress, back to recruiting. The truth is that when ND plays 2-Deep on defense, the two – deep safeties look like much Denny and Pat D…relatively smart, moderately athletic, pretty tough, but in the end Small and Slow,,,,yes Pat you are slow. The ND safeties couldn’t tackle SC players in the open field and couldn’t get them to the ground when they could catch them.
    Also lacking is the D-lineman, they simply do not have the same guys that the SEC schools have playing that position.
    Notre Dame has always had busts in their recruiting classes,,,players out of hs who had great grades and were USA Today All-Americans, had offers from Michigan, Penn St. and maybe SC, but did not have any SEC offers, and ended up at ND. They never played (or played a little but were never very good…you know who I mean, remember Carlos-Pierre Antoine, Mike McNair???? I think ND is just getting too many of these guys today in their recruiting classes. ND is a special place yes, but it is different, it is a school of 7,500 undergrad students and not many of them are minorities….the place is a freaking ivy league school setting!!!! You have to want to go to school there!!! if you are a major Div. I football player???…and not enough kids do….do you?? wouldn’t you have a better time at SC or Florida??? or even Mich or OSU of PSU…with 30,000 plus students?? Truth is, it’s a much better experience to be a Div. athlete (Football player) at anyone of those schools than it is to be at ND. If you disagree with that, you are probably Irish, white and you grew up loving ND like so many other white freckly little dudes like you. Those guys don’t win football games.
    The last time ND won the Nat. Championship they had Tony Rice, Chris Zorich, and few other great players……many were just barely NCAA qualifiers. You can draw your own conclusions…is ND Northwestern or Vandy…NO they still get in kids who are close and I’m not saying they have too…just pointing out the facts.  

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  • sparty says:

    @Redheaded Irishman -

    nice response. but not enough about losing to Michigan State.  

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  • patphish says:

    Mike McNair, I just threw up in my mouth.  

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  • mizerle06 says:

    whew, just finished. good post, pat.

    /too long?
    /too long.
    //not enough charts and graphs and tables.  

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  • patphish says:

    mizerle06: whew, just finished.good post, pat./too long?
    /too long.
    //not enough charts and graphs and tables.

    too long? TWSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

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  • Bryan says:

    Excellent post, can feel your frustration through your words.

    The thing that stuck out the most however was that Lloyd Carr outcoached Weis. All. Day. Long.

    This should be like crying at work, auto firing.  

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