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September 24, 2009

Best Managers of the Last 30 Years

By sparty

justanotherdayattheofficeBobby Cox announced yesterday that he will retire at the end of the 2010 season.  Cox has been the manager of the Atlanta Braves since 1990.  He had a stint with the organization from 1978-1981.  Sandwiched in between was a very successful stint as the manager of the Toronto Blue Jays from 1982-1985.  Cox has accumulated a 2408 wins and 1632 losses during all his tenures (.556 winning pct).   Obviously, Bobby had most of his success with the Braves, which included 14 straight division titles (the strike-shortened 1994 season is not recognized as a second place finish), 5 NL pennants, and 1 World Series title.  During this time, he won 3 of his 4 manager of the year awards.   He had the luxury of coaching 3 pitchers who combined for 6 Cy Young awards while under his watch.  Cox also has the distinguished honor of being thrown out of more games than any other manager. The biggest knock against Cox is that he did not win more World Series with his uber-talented Braves teams.  But even with that little stain on his resume, there is no denying that Bobby Cox is one of the best managers in the Majors over the last 30 years.  Who are his counterparts?  Let’s find out (in no particular order).

Joe Torre - One of the biggest reasons that Cox didn’t win more World Series.   The 1996 Braves probably were a more talented team overall, but the Torre’s calm demeanor helped the Yankees capture the first of 4 World Series under his command.  The Yankees would sweep the Braves in 1999 as well, stealing the team of the 90s moniker from the Braves.  Torre has a career record of 2242-1908.  However, he had a losing record prior to becoming the Yankees manager in 1996.  Leaving doubts in some peoples mind as how good Torre is as a manger of baseball.  However, no one has ever managed dealing with the NY press, spotlight and George Steinbrenner quite like Torre.  But many people still think the Yankees would have won with any halfway decent manager with those teams in the 90s.

Tony LaRussa - The current Cardinals manager is the only one listed that has won a World Series with 2 different organizations.  He also has a sparkling career record of 2250-2209.  But, like Cox, many LaRussa has had teams underachieve in the postseason.   He has won 10 Division titles, 5 Pennants to go along with those World Series titles.  When he was back managing the Oakland Athletics, his teams were heavily favored each year, but loss 2 of the 3 times out.  LaRussa’s biggest credit in his tenure with the Cardinals has been his ability to get the most out of his starting pitchers.  But one other ding against LaRussa is that many believe he turned a blind eye to the steroid use of Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire.

Jim Leyland – The only contemporary of the group that has a losing record.  However, Leyland has been saddled with less talent than any of them.  Even while with the Pirates and having Barry Bonds playing left field for him, the Pirates didn’t boast the overall talent in the National League like many others such as the Mets, Braves, Giants, and Cardinals did.  However, he led them to 3 consecutive NLCS appearances. Had Barry Bonds not had a noodle arm, he may have had a chance at winning a World Series with them.  Leyland would stick around for a few years after the exodus of Bonds and Bonilla happened, and the Pirates decided that they would never invest back  into their team and Leyland was left with no talent to manage.  Leyland did capture a World Series, managing his most star studded team in Florida.  The Marlins won their first championship in 1997 under Leyland.  However, that team was broken up, and the following season, Jim essentially managed a minor league team.  That season alone gives the losing record to chain-smoking manager.  Leyland had a one year stint in Colorado before taking a break until returning to manage the Detroit Tigers in 2006.  In his first season, he led the Tigers to a World Series appearance, where he would lose to LaRussa’s Cardinals.  If the Tigers hold on this last week, he will deliver the first division championship to the Motor City since 1987.

Just missing the list because they haven’t been around long enough, yet,  retired too soon or just weren’t good enough to make the list: Terry Francona, Sparky Anderson, Mike Scioscia, Lou Piniella.

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  • cbh49er says:

    Baseball managers are virtually useless.

    How do I know this? They conduct interviews while the game is taking place. Not during a break between innings, not during a timeout, during the game.

    I think some can be better motivators than others, but if Bobby Cox managed the O’s these last 10 years, they still would have sucked.  

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  • john says:

    Cito Gaston as an honorable mention?  

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  • sparty says:

    cbh49er: Baseball managers are virtually useless.
    How do I know this? They conduct interviews while the game is taking place. Not during a break between innings, not during a timeout, during the game.I think some can be better motivators than others, but if Bobby Cox managed the O’s these last 10 years, they still would have sucked.

    they may have, or they may have been much more competitive. we don’t know.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    Davey Johnson should be on this list  

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  • Johnny says:

    john: Cito Gaston as an honorable mention?

    And how about Lou  

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  • natsfan74 says:

    A good baseball manager is like pornography, I cannot define it, but I know it when I see it.

    No other sport has the same amount of pressure on every decision. If a QB throws a few picks, maybe he comes out of the game — but he can go back in. In baseball, once a guy is out, he’s done for the night. And baseball is 100% about match-ups, where one guy on the field has the direct ability to influence the outcome of another player. Baseball managers are a lot more strategic in their thinking than head coaches in other sports.

    And, Bobby Cox may be one of the best ever at doing those things.  

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  • john says:

    Tom Kelly?  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    Bobby Cox has done more with less…sure he had a bitchin’ rotation for years, BUUUUT…his Bullpen blew. He never ever ever had a closer until Smoltz…and the majority of his lineups were role players.

    LaRussa has a strong case.

    Leyland…eh.

    Torre, maybe, but after 1999 they started throwing All-Star after allstar in that lineup.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    GatorTrey: Bobby Cox has done more with less…sure he had a bitchin’ rotation for years, BUUUUT…his Bullpen blew. He never ever ever had a closer until Smoltz…and the majority of his lineups were role players.LaRussa has a strong case.Leyland…eh.Torre, maybe, but after 1999 they started throwing All-Star after allstar in that lineup.

    Mark Wohlers takes offense to this.  

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  • sae says:

    cbh49er: How do I know this? They conduct interviews while the game is taking place. Not during a break between innings, not during a timeout, during the game.

    i always thought this was recorded between innings and they played it at the beginning of the next inning  

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  • john says:

    cbh49er: Mark Wohlers takes offense to this.

    cbh49er: Mark Wohlers takes offense to this.

    …so does John Rocker.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    sae:
    i always thought this was recorded between innings and they played it at the beginning of the next inning

    I have seen Dave Trembley conduct interviews during at bats. It sickens me.  

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  • sparty says:

    Leyland…eh.

    after Bonds, Bonilla, Drabeck and Van Slyke, who did he have on those Pittsburgh teams?  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    cbh49er:

    Mark Wohlers takes offense to this.

    He effin’ blew…dude had solid save numbers, but he also had pretty solid blown save numbers…sadly, he was the BEST the braves had in that doo-doo bullpen.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    GatorTrey:
    He effin’ blew…dude had solid save numbers, but he also had pretty solid blown save numbers…sadly, he was the BEST the braves had in that doo-doo bullpen.

    They won a World Series with him as closer. I’d take that.  

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  • sparty says:

    cbh49er:
    Mark Wohlers takes offense to this.

    Jim Leyritz doesn’t.  

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  • john says:

    cbh49er: I have seen Dave Trembley conduct interviews during at bats. It sickens me.

    I don’t blame him. It probably sickens Trembley to watch the O’s play.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    john:
    I don’t blame him.It probably sickens Trembley to watch the O’s play.

    Why I oughta….

    Stimulate the economy by purchasing an American car!

    /Family Guy’d  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    sparty:

    after Bonds, Bonilla, Drabeck and Van Slyke, who did he have on those Pittsburgh teams?

    I dunno…John Smiley wasn’t crap…Randy Tomlin was the next big thing until his arm died in 1993…  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    cbh49er:

    They won a World Series with him as closer. I’d take that.

    Good example…because Wholers absolutely SUCKED that whole post season…  

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  • Johnny says:

    sparty:
    after Bonds, Bonilla, Drabeck and Van Slyke, who did he have on those Pittsburgh teams?

    Are you doubting the double play tandem of Jay Bell and Jose Lind? And don’t forget about Don Slaught and Spanky Lavalliere behind the plate  

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  • Johnny says:

    They also had Tim Wakefield and Dennis Neagle. And Stan the man Belinda  

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  • Johnny says:

    And Bob Walk, can’t leave Bob Walk out  

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  • cbh49er says:

    GatorTrey:
    Good example…because Wholers absolutely SUCKED that whole post season…

    4 saves is sucking? A 1.80 ERA in the World Series sucks?

    He sucked in the NLDS, but when it mattered most, he performed.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wohlema01.shtml?redir  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    cbh49er:

    4 saves is sucking? A 1.80 ERA in the World Series sucks?

    He sucked in the NLDS, but when it mattered most, he performed.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wohlema01.shtml?redir

    cbh…you’re talking to a guy that was a DIEHARD braves fan (as was my family)when they finally won a title…Wohlers walked the freaking tightrope in that series, putting the tying or go ahead run on base during every one of those saves…Ya the stats looked good, but the guy to put it nicely…was shit in that series, and if it weren’t for Atlanta’s defense, they probably would have lost it.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    You win Gator Trey.  

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  • GatorTrey says:

    cbh49er:

    You win Gator Trey.

    Ha! I wish Sparty would say that one day!  

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  • Bruce says:

    sae:
    i always thought this was recorded between innings and they played it at the beginning of the next inning

    It is done between innings. Sometimes, players will be interviewed during play, like Smoltz was a couple weeks ago, but managers are not.  

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  • cbh49er says:

    Bruce:
    It is done between innings. Sometimes, players will be interviewed during play, like Smoltz was a couple weeks ago, but managers are not.

    I have seen it with my own two eyes. I was not hallucinating, maybe Trembley is the only one but it does happen.  

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  • sparty says:

    GatorTrey: it weren’t for Atlanta’s defense, they probably would have lost it.

    win an argument.  

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