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	<title>Comments on: Sports Economics: Where Have the Fans Gone?</title>
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		<title>By: Joe m.</title>
		<link>http://www.spartyandfriends.com/2009/02/27/sports-economics-where-have-the-fans-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-37658</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe m.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 00:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A down economy means good things for sports bloggers.  Due to the fact people are being laid off and not going to game it gives them more time to read sports articles online.  Great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A down economy means good things for sports bloggers.  Due to the fact people are being laid off and not going to game it gives them more time to read sports articles online.  Great post!</p>
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		<title>By: GatorTrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorTrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only have season tix to the Gators. I buy them through an old alumni.

I would, however, buy Magic tix if I could afford them AND could make at least 80% of the games. 

I have a friend who works for them, so it&#039;s usually easier for me to go that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only have season tix to the Gators. I buy them through an old alumni.</p>
<p>I would, however, buy Magic tix if I could afford them AND could make at least 80% of the games. </p>
<p>I have a friend who works for them, so it&#8217;s usually easier for me to go that route.</p>
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		<title>By: rekcalsa</title>
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		<dc:creator>rekcalsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got Rutgers football season tix last season because my brother&#039;s friend had them available...probably wouldn&#039;t do it every season just because I think I&#039;d rather stay home and watch the game, but I do enjoy the occasional football/baseball/hockey/soccer game in person as long as it&#039;s not at a ridiculous cost to me...I usually don&#039;t buy much food when I&#039;m at the games because it&#039;s so outrageously priced so that helps me throw a little extra cash at the ticket price for a slightly better seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got Rutgers football season tix last season because my brother&#8217;s friend had them available&#8230;probably wouldn&#8217;t do it every season just because I think I&#8217;d rather stay home and watch the game, but I do enjoy the occasional football/baseball/hockey/soccer game in person as long as it&#8217;s not at a ridiculous cost to me&#8230;I usually don&#8217;t buy much food when I&#8217;m at the games because it&#8217;s so outrageously priced so that helps me throw a little extra cash at the ticket price for a slightly better seat.</p>
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		<title>By: sae</title>
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		<dc:creator>sae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>too long of a haul for me to see many of my team&#039;s games in person, but instead of one monster mlb extra innings plan, or mlb.tv, or the sports pack on directv i wouldn&#039;t mind being able to only pay to see my team&#039;s games and most of the money going directly to them

can&#039;t wait to see if my work will still have the drawings for white sox, kane county cougar, and joliet jackhammer games.  they&#039;ve cut everything else, won&#039;t be surprised if they gave up the tix too</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>too long of a haul for me to see many of my team&#8217;s games in person, but instead of one monster mlb extra innings plan, or mlb.tv, or the sports pack on directv i wouldn&#8217;t mind being able to only pay to see my team&#8217;s games and most of the money going directly to them</p>
<p>can&#8217;t wait to see if my work will still have the drawings for white sox, kane county cougar, and joliet jackhammer games.  they&#8217;ve cut everything else, won&#8217;t be surprised if they gave up the tix too</p>
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		<title>By: knightro</title>
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		<dc:creator>knightro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no possible way for the general public to make any kind of impact on professional sports.  You can ask a stadium full of fans to stay home.  So?  The season tickets are paid for.  You might cause a ripple from single game or walk up ticket sales.  So the ownership has basically been paid.  Players?  Guaranteed contract.  Parking and concessions would suffer.  Still that&#039;s peanuts in the whole sporting event economy.  We have no meaningful recourse or any way to affect the professional sports economy.  So we can either put up or shut up.  I only own season ticket to UCF football which in the big scheme is not that expensive.  I &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;LOVE&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the Magic.  Wouldn&#039;t own Magic/Bucs/Jags/Rays/Lightning tickets.  For me, the value is just not there.  If someone offers me a single game ticket for free or next to nothing I&#039;ll go, for sure.  Otherwise, that money can be spent on so many other things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no possible way for the general public to make any kind of impact on professional sports.  You can ask a stadium full of fans to stay home.  So?  The season tickets are paid for.  You might cause a ripple from single game or walk up ticket sales.  So the ownership has basically been paid.  Players?  Guaranteed contract.  Parking and concessions would suffer.  Still that&#8217;s peanuts in the whole sporting event economy.  We have no meaningful recourse or any way to affect the professional sports economy.  So we can either put up or shut up.  I only own season ticket to UCF football which in the big scheme is not that expensive.  I <b><i>LOVE</i></b> the Magic.  Wouldn&#8217;t own Magic/Bucs/Jags/Rays/Lightning tickets.  For me, the value is just not there.  If someone offers me a single game ticket for free or next to nothing I&#8217;ll go, for sure.  Otherwise, that money can be spent on so many other things.</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sigh...yep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sigh&#8230;yep.</p>
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		<title>By: sae</title>
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		<dc:creator>sae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>commie?  we&#039;re almost halfway there anyway, we&#039;ll be socialist in no time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commie?  we&#8217;re almost halfway there anyway, we&#8217;ll be socialist in no time</p>
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		<title>By: sae</title>
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		<dc:creator>sae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>big d, you got my vote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>big d, you got my vote</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS GUYS A COMMIE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS GUYS A COMMIE!</p>
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		<title>By: Big D</title>
		<link>http://www.spartyandfriends.com/2009/02/27/sports-economics-where-have-the-fans-gone/comment-page-1/#comment-37448</link>
		<dc:creator>Big D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to come off sounding socialist, especially because I lean closer to Libertarian than anything else, but sports are games that are solely driven by fans.  If I could change any one thing in professional sports, it would be this:

Every league has a salary cap, and no professional athlete playing a team game is allowed to make more than $10M per season.  Period.  Every year the number would go up or down based on the total league revenues.  With players&#039; salaries dropped, owners could no longer justify ridiculous ticket/parking/concession prices and still expect to see sell-out crowds.

As an added bonus, it would increase competitiveness in leagues, because with a hard salary cap teams couldn&#039;t just go out and get 10 guys at the max contracts if they needed to fill 15 spots.

Now, it&#039;ll never happen without some sort of collusion between the teams owners of all four major professional leagues deciding to lock out their players at the same time (in which case ESPN would implode... so possibly another bonus).

And finally, with all of the money that is spent on sporting events freed up for the &quot;average&quot; consumer could be pumped back into other economic sectors.  Sure, people might just save more money, or maybe they&#039;d just goto more games.  But the money would move around somehow.

That&#039;s my platform for President in 2020 - I&#039;m running on the Sports Ticket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to come off sounding socialist, especially because I lean closer to Libertarian than anything else, but sports are games that are solely driven by fans.  If I could change any one thing in professional sports, it would be this:</p>
<p>Every league has a salary cap, and no professional athlete playing a team game is allowed to make more than $10M per season.  Period.  Every year the number would go up or down based on the total league revenues.  With players&#8217; salaries dropped, owners could no longer justify ridiculous ticket/parking/concession prices and still expect to see sell-out crowds.</p>
<p>As an added bonus, it would increase competitiveness in leagues, because with a hard salary cap teams couldn&#8217;t just go out and get 10 guys at the max contracts if they needed to fill 15 spots.</p>
<p>Now, it&#8217;ll never happen without some sort of collusion between the teams owners of all four major professional leagues deciding to lock out their players at the same time (in which case ESPN would implode&#8230; so possibly another bonus).</p>
<p>And finally, with all of the money that is spent on sporting events freed up for the &#8220;average&#8221; consumer could be pumped back into other economic sectors.  Sure, people might just save more money, or maybe they&#8217;d just goto more games.  But the money would move around somehow.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my platform for President in 2020 &#8211; I&#8217;m running on the Sports Ticket.</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, the Giants funded the stadium, not taxpayers.  lucky they set the prices when they did, since the Mara&#039;s and Tisch&#039;s lost a ton through Lehman Bros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, the Giants funded the stadium, not taxpayers.  lucky they set the prices when they did, since the Mara&#8217;s and Tisch&#8217;s lost a ton through Lehman Bros.</p>
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		<title>By: GatorTrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>GatorTrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t mind PSLs for PRIVATE stadiums...publicly owned stadiums though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t mind PSLs for PRIVATE stadiums&#8230;publicly owned stadiums though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Big D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t even get me started on PSLs...  That&#039;s a two hour rant in and of itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t even get me started on PSLs&#8230;  That&#8217;s a two hour rant in and of itself.</p>
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		<title>By: sparty</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Football Giants have had people on the waiting list for season tickets for years.  with the new stadium PSLs and ticket prices, they are already moved up 20K people in line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Football Giants have had people on the waiting list for season tickets for years.  with the new stadium PSLs and ticket prices, they are already moved up 20K people in line.</p>
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		<title>By: Big D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, but you see my point...

When I lived in Boston, if I wanted to catch a game live I&#039;d call some buddies and head for the park.  Admittedly, I have a good job with no family to support, so it was easier for me to go scalp some grandstand seats for $100.

But for the average family now, going to the ballpark is a once a year treat - max - because teams keep raising prices to afford players.  And they get away with it because they know there&#039;s always somebody willing to jump on that season ticket package if it gets opened up by a fan that can no longer afford it.

Personally, I much prefer sitting at home in front of a bigscreen HD TV, with surround sound speakers and a well-stocked home bar and fridge.  The experience is just about the same, especially if you have a handful of friends around.  Plus I don&#039;t drop $350 during the day on tickets, transportation, parking &amp; concessions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, but you see my point&#8230;</p>
<p>When I lived in Boston, if I wanted to catch a game live I&#8217;d call some buddies and head for the park.  Admittedly, I have a good job with no family to support, so it was easier for me to go scalp some grandstand seats for $100.</p>
<p>But for the average family now, going to the ballpark is a once a year treat &#8211; max &#8211; because teams keep raising prices to afford players.  And they get away with it because they know there&#8217;s always somebody willing to jump on that season ticket package if it gets opened up by a fan that can no longer afford it.</p>
<p>Personally, I much prefer sitting at home in front of a bigscreen HD TV, with surround sound speakers and a well-stocked home bar and fridge.  The experience is just about the same, especially if you have a handful of friends around.  Plus I don&#8217;t drop $350 during the day on tickets, transportation, parking &amp; concessions.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have the money saved for Red Sox tickets, but my problem is it&#039;s friggin impossible to get decent seats to a game without having some sort of connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have the money saved for Red Sox tickets, but my problem is it&#8217;s friggin impossible to get decent seats to a game without having some sort of connection.</p>
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