Hello again. It’s me, the new guy.You know, we met last week. I appreciate the warm reception I was given and am looking forward to some lighthearted banter and occasionally mean-spirited venom spewing (looking at you, gatortrey).
Well, I guess I should get on with the reason Sparty broke the bank to bring me in (other than my NASCAR and pro bass fishing expertise of course). Among the random posts and comments I’ll be dropping on this beautiful on-line community, I will have a weekly contribution as well. In the spirit of the blogging world and the propensity for blindly complaining about anything, and sometimes everything, we’ll call it “Get Off My Lawn.”I’ll have a few topics (usually sports-related, but maybe sometimes not) to discuss/rant about and said rants may or may not be well thought out.Feel free to agree, discuss, disagree, and/or ridicule me. Also, if you have any suggestions about things that piss you off that you’d like me to look into, please feel free to email me in care of our fearless leader and I will consider your perceived slight.
Volume 1: College Football Polls
Here are the college football polls that are relevant towards determining the National Champion along with their respective release date:
USAToday Coaches Top 25 Poll – released August 1.
AP Top 25 Poll – released August 16.
Harris Interactive – will be released approximately September 22 (approximation based on first HICFB 2007 poll released on September 23).
Bowl Championship Series – will be released October 19.
Polls have the unique ability to unite, polarize, appease, and offend simultaneously, especially college football and basketball polls. The polls are great for generating interest and conversation about not only the ranked items, but also the establishment responsible for the rankings. For college football (CFB) there are countless polls and rankings from almost every sports medium, including the personal opinions of the consumers taking in the medium. For example, our friend Mr. Big Lead is in the process of counting down his CFB top 10 as we speak and the commenters never fail to discuss his rankings and provide their own. All of this opinion and analysis takes place every summer before the first kickoff is recorded and prior to talent and level of play being adequately tested against a competitor not living in the same dorms. The discussion is entertaining and many times brings out the ridiculous homerisms many of us carry inside us towards our favorite team.
However, I’m here to complain about what I view as a major problem with the polls – the four listed above are released well before they should be, the AP Poll was released 12 days before the first game while the USA Today Coaches Poll was released 15 days prior to that, and can result in an advantage, or disadvantage, for a particular team. What could these rankings possibly be based on? Likely the same characteristics we fans judge teams with: the finish to the previous season (likely a bowl game performance), depth/experience of returning players, talent of new recruits, coaching… My point is that all of these characteristics are even more subjective than judging a team’s performance and ranking it in an appropriate slot after an actual game.
Let’s look at the highlights of some previously overrated teams real quick:
2005 Tennessee – Ranked #3 Preseason; 5-6 Final Record; lost, at home, to Vanderbilt; Finished season unranked.
2007 Michigan – Ranked #5 Preseason; 9-4 Final Record; lost, at home, to Appalachian State; ranked #32 prior to bowl game, finished season #18
Now, some previously underrated teams:
2004 Auburn – Ranked #17 Preseason; 13-0 Final Record; finished season #2 and were not invited to play in the Orange Bowl for the BCS National Championship. Instead, Oklahoma (ranked #2 preseason) was run through by USC (ranked #1 preseason).
2003 USC – Ranked #8 Preseason; 12-1 Final Record; finished season #2 in BCS but named AP National Champion after not being invited to play in the Sugar Bowl for the BCS National Championship. Instead Oklahoma (ranked #1 preseason) lost to LSU (ranked #14 preseason).
So, what does all this junk mean? To me, it means that 2005 Tennessee, 2007 Michigan, 2004 Auburn, and 2003 USC are recent examples of preseason polls affecting another teams ability to prove themselves worthy of National Championship consideration.
Now, I don’t like to complain about things when I haven’t considered a solution. So here’s my solution. Release the AP, USAToday, and HICFB polls in late October when teams have been adequately tested by both non-conference and conference foes. By waiting to release the polls, the ranking organizations can review performance, evaluate injuries, and compare the results to the strength of the remaining schedule to allow all teams to start at a relatively similar level. Then, in late November, release the BCS standings. The only way the BCS standings can be improved is to win games. A team cannot reschedule tougher teams in the middle of a season to boost its schedule strength to elevate voters’ perception of it so why release the BCS poll so early when all it can do is indirectly influence the voters in the subjective polls?
I’m not saying get rid of all preseason or even early season analysis/rankings/polls, solely the ones that count. Push them back until teams can be evaluated adequately and the rankings cannot hinder a team’s shot at greatness.
That’s crystal clear, right?
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Completely agree.
Although schedule strength NEEDS to be a part of the BCS equation. gatortrey(Quote)
First?
Probably last? RexKramerDangerSeeker(Quote)
damn. you. gatortrey.
/shanoff’d RexKramerDangerSeeker(Quote)
glad there is venom spewed towards shamford from 3 other blogs that visit here. sparty(Quote)
shamford? mizerle06(Quote)
the Lordz of Vengeance’s nickname for Shanoff. sparty(Quote)
never heard of him mizerle06(Quote)
It doesn’t matter if you wait longer to put out the polls. The voters are still going to have their preconceived biases towards the bigger name schools and against the less heralded programs. The Mark Show(Quote)
I think Shamford authors a fantasy-based sports blog somewhere knightro(Quote)
i like the bashing of TBL commenters, nice. sparty(Quote)
TMS – I think initially what you say is true. However, over time as the new process becomes the norm, and the old guard of voters is replaced, it would function more closely to what is intended here. knightro(Quote)
@the mark show – I’m not necessarily arguing for the less heralded programs; I’m more or less arguing that for the big dogs to compete on a more level field, a team like Auburn can’t start at #17 with Oklahoma at #2 before a game is even played and then not be allowed to settle it on the field (resulting in a potentially split NC) mizerle06(Quote)
I do think it’s a step in the right direction if this were to somehow happen, I just don’t know that a situation like with Auburn at 17 and OU at 2 is going to be fixed since even without an official poll, the voters are going to have initial thoughts on how good each team is and it’s still going to take a lot for a team to climb the rankings, even if there isn’t an official ranking out there. The Mark Show(Quote)
I see your point, TMS. however, part of the difficulty in teams physically climbing in the polls is the following scenario: “well, team x won and looked good but all the teams ranked above them won too so we can’t move them down to move team x up”
without a number assigned to a team, I think they move around more freely in perception. the longer the official rankings hold off, the more objective the ranking, in my opinion. mizerle06(Quote)
The voters definitely would still probably base their rankings on how they felt in the beginning of the season, but they might actually feel okay about giving a team a huge boost in the rankings when they realize that they actually are a good team (even if they saw no chance for them before the season). When they don’t get to see what all the other voters thought, that whole inertia thing probably wouldn’t come into play as negatively. rekcalsa(Quote)
Sparty > > > > > Shamford rekcalsa(Quote)
I took so long to put in a response that I think I almost said what you just said miz. rekcalsa(Quote)
inertia is a good word to describe the phenomenon. good call, rekcalsa. mizerle06(Quote)
Yeah you guys make good points. It would definitely eliminate the sheep mentality of the voters. The Mark Show(Quote)
I think the inertia/sheep mentality is a big reason why the voters don’t give huge jumps in the rankings to teams that deserve them. They have no problem dropping them far though. rekcalsa(Quote)
The coaches poll would be the least affected by this change since, as has been mentioned here so often, the coaches aren’t really voting. It’s an assistant or graduate assistant completing the poll for them. knightro(Quote)
come to think of it, i have never seen miz or rek together at the same time….. sparty(Quote)
well…I’ve never seen sparty and richard simmons together at the same time, so… mizerle06(Quote)
miz /= rek rekcalsa(Quote)
richard simmons > sparty ? rekcalsa(Quote)
Simmons v. Shanoff, your call gatortrey(Quote)
i sweat to the oldies constantly….
the Golden Girls especially. sparty(Quote)
Richard Simmons vs Shanoff? Simmons doesn’t deny who he really is! knightro(Quote)
Is it a battle royale? rekcalsa(Quote)
It would be the next big Ultimate Slapfighting event knightro(Quote)
Hef, wherever you may be, you asked for it. “More Shanoff Bashing!” sparty(Quote)
Didn’t Shamford move up in weight class recently? knightro(Quote)
Simmons could still take him. rekcalsa(Quote)
/fixed sparty(Quote)
do you think shanoff comes here and looks at this site and comments. or has he taken the hint?
probably steals content though JB(Quote)
comments? doubt it
poaching? fo’ sho’ rekcalsa(Quote)
it has been such a long time since I was on his site, does he even read comments on his own site (shanoff that is)? JB(Quote)
i don’t think people ever comment there unless he really really pisses them off. sparty(Quote)
He doesn’t even let people post comments without approval…so he must at least skim them before approving. But it’s not like anyone really cares what he says anyway, unless he’s more out there than usual. rekcalsa(Quote)
“2005 Tennessee – Ranked #3 Preseason; 5-6 Final Record; lost, at home, to Vanderbilt; Finished season unranked.”
Every time someone mentions that, an angel gets its wings! August West(Quote)
“2005 Tennessee – lost, at home, to Vanderbilt; Finished season unranked.”
Every time someone mentions that, an angel gets its wings!
…made more precise August West(Quote)
losing to Vanderbilt will definitely hurt a team’s chances to be viewed as legit. mizerle06(Quote)
to put it simply.
you win your games.
and schedule your games accordingly.
polls worry people too much. if you smash your opposition, sooner or later people will notice. jpmanahan(Quote)